Comments on: Developing, but not overdeveloping, a collaborative space http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/25/developing-but-not-overdeveloping-a-collaborative-space/ The Humanities And Technology Camp Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:00:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: Matt http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/25/developing-but-not-overdeveloping-a-collaborative-space/#comment-411 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:24:19 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=265#comment-411 @kfitz Boone is great — I’m so glad that you two will have a chance to meet.

@joguldi A walled garden? A walled garden?!!!! You’re killing me, @joguldi!!

We imagined the CUNY Academic Commons as the antithesis of a walled garden, since a walled garden was exactly what we had in Blackboard (or in Sharepoint, which some administrators pushed for). Instead, we wanted a site that would be built according to the ethos of open-source, guerrilla communications that you’ve described.

What we’ve tried to do is to build a stable space that could serve as an aggregation point for each member’s content, so that every guerrilla could build elsewhere as she wished but could also have a base camp on the Commons (sorry for the tortured metaphor). We chose to go with WordPress precisely because it plays well with services like del.icio.us, twitter, and flickr. The idea is that members of the site can continue to use those services, but can simply import their feeds into their Commons spaces so that they can share that information in the context of the CUNY community. Since, as Boone points out, most of the site is out in the open, I’m not sure how or why you see it as walled.

The issue that Boone’s post alludes to, but doesn’t fully articulate, is that we started this project to deal with a problem particular to the structure of CUNY that Boone describes: we have 23 campuses in a very small geographic area; although we all try to keep up with one another, the members of one campus often don’t know what people on another campus are doing. And so, the idea of building a central, collaborative space — one that would bring a greater sense of unity to the university — began. And yet, as Boone’s title implies, we’ve taken pains not to be overly prescriptive. Our goal has been to create an organic site that would take its cues from its members and from its nascent, growing community.

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By: Boone Gorges http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/25/developing-but-not-overdeveloping-a-collaborative-space/#comment-410 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:23:27 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=265#comment-410 @kfitz – Excellent, I’m really looking forward to talking about our respective projects!

@jouldi – Your response doesn’t sound unorthodox at all! I totally agree with the spirit behind your sentiment. In an ideal world, collaborative spaces would be broad enough to effectively encompass everyone. There would be no need for “walled gardens” (though, I should note, the CUNY Academic Commons is only private insofar as you must be a member of the CUNY community to actually create content there – the content itself is public). But there are a couple of justifications for local communities like the one we’re building:
– The CUNY community is large enough to support it
– The members of the CUNY community share a culture that is in many ways unique to the institution, which means in turn that the kind of space that might work for them is not necessarily the kind of space that works for the more general public (or even the more general academic public)
– Perhaps most importantly, there are many shades of gray between traditional, isolated scholarship and open, fully collaborative scholarship. Even if true openness is the ultimate goal (which is an idea that has strong arguments in its favor, even if it’s not 100% certain), to make it the only alternative to the traditional ways threatens to scare off too many scholars who are mildly uncomfortable with the idea of sharing. The partially closed nature of the Commons provides some protection for these individuals.

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By: joguldi http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/25/developing-but-not-overdeveloping-a-collaborative-space/#comment-409 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:07:28 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=265#comment-409 My response might be a little unorthodox here — but I’m a big fan of guerilla academic use of publicly available tools for sharing, rather than reduplicating walled gardens of our own.

I’ve blogged about my own community of academics and para-academics in delicious. I also had a lot of joy out of using flickr, rather than omeka, for my undergraduates.

In both cases, the functionality suits what I need, as a researcher/pedagogue, just fine. Putting the stuff in public, where the tags are findable via traditional methods (not locked in a walled garden), is a choice — in favor of dialogue with the public over control.

It isn’t the choice for everybody, but it’s an important criteria to think about for humanities academics committed to the idea of the public intellectual.

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By: kfitz http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/25/developing-but-not-overdeveloping-a-collaborative-space/#comment-408 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:23:12 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=265#comment-408 I’m thrilled you’re coming – I sent my instructional technology folks to look at Academic Commons not long ago, and really want to hear more about what you’ve done so far and where you’re going from here. Not to mention that I’ve been using WPmu and MediaWiki in my classes, and that I’ve got a commitment to Drupal discussed elsewhere. Will very much look forward to talking with you soon.

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