Comments on: Teaching Digital Archival and Publishing Skills http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/ The Humanities And Technology Camp Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:00:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: | Center for Public History and Digital Humanities http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-290 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:23:16 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-290 […] and competencies involved in this process.  My initial submission to the THATcamp blog is here and is reposted below for your convenience.  Be sure to read the comments at THATcamp.org and […]

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By: Erin Bell http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-289 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:48:45 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-289 And to RE-clarify my poor explanation of the “more is more” approach, I meant to say “quantity (of items/item metadata) = quality (of resource),” which I think is problematic if not just wrong for most projects. That said, the idea that more filters, sitewide metadata, curation, etc. add value is right on. I hope I haven’t further confused what I thought was a really innocuous phrase. Have a great weekend everyone! 🙂

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By: Erin Bell http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-288 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:37:42 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-288 I think Sterling makes a relevant point about the student satisfaction that comes from both immediacy and potential impact of digital publishing and from being part of a large/ambitious movement or project. A project like the History Engine is probably even more satisfying than what I have been working on because it is nationally-oriented (rather than locally) and wiki-based (meaning, I presume, immediately visible results). It seems to have struck a nice balance in content and metadata as well, at least for the time being.

I wonder, though, how well it will scale with the metadata (specifically the controlled tags) being used. Will they provide enough granularity to actually sort through a resource which could grow exponentially in a short period of time? I’m not suggesting students should exhaustively catalog using Library of Congress Subject Headings or anything, I just think there needs to be a balance between what will increase findability and use and what will be manageable in the context of (dispersed) classroom teaching and learning projects.

And to address Patrick’s comment, I agree entirely with the idea that items/objects can be filtered/represented through multiple curated “events” (whether that is through an “exhibit” or some other mechanism) and don’t think that puts you in the “more is more” category at all (by “more is more” I am referring to the idea that quantity = quality in digitization/digital projects). Since we just started this, we haven’t seen any overlapping exhibits on the same topic, but that’s something to think about. My personal (OCD Librarian) inclination would be to either merge or clearly differentiate them for the sake of maintaining some sense that the site is a controlled resource. On the other hand, there is no reason intellectually why we shouldn’t present multiple accounts of the same topic. That might actually provide a different kind of value, but it would also change the nature of the site (not necessarily a bad thing).

I’m very grateful for all the feedback and comments here. This is going to be a really interesting discussion.

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By: Patrick Murray-John http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-287 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:37:18 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-287 On the question of whether producing bad/wrong/misleading metadata is worse than no metadata at all, I’m influenced by my past life teaching first year composition into the following analogy. Producing bad/wrong/misleading writing is certainly better than students not writing at all, and I take the same view of metadata. To address that, I lean toward providing more metadata about the asserted status of the online project is the important thing.

I s’pose that puts me in the “more is more” camp. I’m comfortable with that, since when it comes to the curation end I’m all over the idea of the same digital object having many representations — curation might come in the form of creating and providing filters (some the user sees, some perhaps not necessarily?) on those objects. Anyone done two completely different Omeka exhibits, drawing on exactly the same set of items in a collection?

Looking forward to this one!

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By: Sherman Dorn http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-286 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:29:47 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-286 I agree with Jeff on the direction of this, with a suggestion: the editing of prior student work doesn’t have to be “for credit” to serve the function of seeing in-process work and improving on it. OR… they can look at prior student work but don’t have the opportunity to edit it unless they can show proficiency with the metadata projects an instructor sets, and then the editing work is extra credit. I guess the idea is that you can be flexible with the multi-generational concept Jeff suggests.

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By: jamesdcalder http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-285 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:29:01 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-285 Great post Erin. While I’m not currently working with these technologies in the classroom, I think we face similar, or at least related problems, when thinking about user generated content in general. What I mean by this is how do we get good metadata for user generated content, whether it be in the classroom or from the general public? As you correctly point out, sometimes less metadata is better than bad metadata. This is interesting to me, because it in some ways goes against my belief that its always a good idea to simply “open things up” and let people catalog, archive, etc. for themselves (there are a number of caveats of course, especially my preference for having user generated metadata exist separately but alongside librarian/archivist metadata). However, I think you’re right that sometimes this extra data, if done poorly, can really detract from the archive/digital history project as a whole. I think I’m going on some sort of a tangent here, so I’m going to stop, at least for now, but let me know what you think.

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By: Sterling Fluharty http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-284 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:18:42 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-284 I wonder if scale and motivation are related as well. Do students have greater a desire to excel in these kinds of projects when they realize that they are part of a larger movement? Or will students respond enthusiastically to state and local digital history projects if they have a personal or family connection to the area?

I suspect that agency, expertise, and publishing are also connected. Wikipedia is bustling with unpaid contributors. Presumably one of the reasons they write is for the satisfaction of seeing their work appear instantaneously in digital print, available to billions. Another likely reason is that they get to display their knowledge and feel like an expert. And because they have reached critical mass with this massive online publishing venture, Wikipedia has become tremendously useful for people across the globe. If students have to wait months for their digital history contributions to appear online, does that mean they will feel cheated? If students are not allowed to select their own topics for digital history projects, will they feel less invested in the process and outcome? If students feel like they are being asked to research, write, and publish on what they perceive to be obscure topics, will put less effort into the digital history project because they assume almost no one will read their work?

I am curious to know how people would compare and contrast their own digital history projects for students with the History Engine. Has the History Engine taken the “more is more” approach? Do the students who write for the History Engine feel like they have made a solid contribution, but have little hope that readers who need or want the information in their contribution will ever find it? Do the students who write for the History Engine respond positively when given the latitude to select their own topics, but wonder afterwards how all of the various student contributions will fit together into some meaningful whole or larger pattern? Do the students who contribute to the History Engine find some satisfaction in becoming experts, but are left wondering whether their contribution counts as a publication?

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By: Erin Bell http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-283 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:23:17 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-283 Jeff,

That is also a good point. We’ve also thought about having students improve upon the exhibits created by previous classes, but have yet to really come to terms with what that means. Obviously, one of the benefits of digital publishing is the ability to revise and improve upon resources as needed, but there are certainly a number of questions raised when asking students to build on the work of others. How do you evenly and fairly divide that work (some existing projects require more/less modification than others)? How do you measure the amount of work completed or the amount of actual learning when much of the content is preexisting and many of the most important decisions have already been made? What does it mean to go back and edit or improve student work (does this constitute a misrepresentation of what students actually produce on their own. we wouldn’t be comfortable editing and re-publishing their research papers)?

Unfortunately, instructors have typically chosen the tools to use, but I am very interested in how you have fared in giving students that choice. I think that’s an important competency, but one that we have not really addressed in our Public History courses. (an explicitly Digital course might have an easier time fitting this in).

Also, I realized another issue which I meant to raise in my initial post. That is, the difference between collecting and curating. Librarians and archivists seem to already do a pretty good good job of collecting, but they are less involved in providing interpretation and context for those items/collections and tend to take a “more is more” approach to digital projects (i.e. “we need to make everything available”). One thing that we have emphasized in our course work is that it is preferable to present a small number of exceptional (or representative) items and provide a more in-depth study. I think this is a big tension, especially between librarians and historians, who have different views about what constitutes a teaching/learning resource, what qualifies as scholarship, etc. Curating, I think, is a core skill that could be explored more thoroughly and, again, clearly distinguished from what librarians do. Library standards and practices definitely have a role in digital humanities projects, but there needs to be a balance and understanding about what that means.

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By: Jeffrey McClurken http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-282 Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:55:52 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-282 Erin and Arden,
I’m certainly interested in the issues both of you have raised here. [I’ve grappled with them for my own senior seminar on Digital History and the tools students in that class use to complete their semester-long group projects. I’m particularly concerned with the question of how students’ experiences change when they’re not creating new projects, but rather building on (contributing to) the work of others (especially when the questions of tools, approach, form of metadata is largely decided for them).]

Certainly there’s some overlap with this topics with the thread started by Amanda French, but given the robust response to that post I suspect there’s room for at least two sessions on what we have students working on and the strategies for undergraduate/graduate involvement in digital humanities projects.

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By: Erin Bell http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-281 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:14:28 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-281 Arden, thanks for the comment. I look forward to working through some of these questions, and can see from your own post that you are looking at this from an even broader perspective, which I think will be very helpful to myself and others.

As for how students are reacting? Generally, it seems that they enjoy the work, though they do get frustrated with the heavy emphasis on details like metadata and exhibit organization (not to mention some of the common challenges of using unfamiliar technology). It’s hard to gauge their overall learning from where I stand (as support staff for the course instructor), but from watching some of their in-class presentations, I gather that this really pushed them to find and analyze more archival items (mostly images and clippings) than they would have in writing a conventional paper. I think having an outlet for their findings actually encouraged them to be more thorough in their research. On the other hand, I’m not sure they entirely appreciate the educational value of “taking it online.”

I agree that setting some additional standards via rubrics/models/templates would go a long way to improve both their experience and the final results.

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By: Arden Kirkland http://chnm2009.thatcamp.org/06/12/149/#comment-280 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:41:16 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=149#comment-280 This is exactly the kind of project I’ve been easing into with my students, so I’m all over this! I really appreciate your thoughtful commentary about what you’ve done so far (and I’d love to hear more). Among many other aspects, I think we can discuss how models / templates / rubrics all fit into this; anything that helps the students focus on content. Your emphasis on process is right on – but we can definitely brainstorm ways to encourage high quality results. So far, how do the students feel about what they’ve learned?

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